12/19 Hubbard Creek Hike

[weathermansam]

Anything POI's to look out for here?  Uncle Wayne mentioned a still...what side of the creek is this on?  I haven't quite decided my route yet, as in which side of the creek I'll be hiking going in.  The water level will determine how much I decide to venture down in the creek itself.  I'm hoping for some rain in the area tomorrow so that elusive side creek falls will put on a performance.   

[McDowra]

Your getting the rain you wanted

[weathermansam]

Your getting the rain you wanted

Next time I should be more specific as to how much of it I want!   Showers would have sufficed, now it looks like Bankhead is getting inches.   

[montysano]

I think you'll have to pick a side of the creek and stick with it.  After today's rain, Hubbard will not be easy/safe to cross.

I'm jealous that you're going to beat me to that side creek, but I'll look forward to a report.   

[Joshua Szulecki]

Sometimes I think Hubbard should be a summer hike. Then I remember the rattlers, bugs, and summer itself.

[weathermansam]

I think you'll have to pick a side of the creek and stick with it.  After today's rain, Hubbard will not be easy/safe to cross.

I'm jealous that you're going to beat me to that side creek, but I'll look forward to a report.    

This sounds crazy, but I've done it before elsewhere and years ago.....You know those forceflex garbage bags?  if you double bag each leg and put a little tape around it they're essentially poor man's waders.  However, IF Hubbard is not safe, and seeing as how I'm probably doing this solo I won't be doing a lot of risky stuff , I'll hike along one of the ridge lines [probably the side with the side creek] and attempt to cross at the hubbard/quillan intersection.  I'm considering treating this as a camping trip with an extra set of clothes and my tent in case something goes wrong and I need to stay the night.  I'm going to try and get trip reports done a little bit faster.  I never even finished writing the one for the Quillan Creek adventure a few weeks back.  

Sometimes I think Hubbard should be a summer hike. Then I remember the rattlers, bugs, and summer itself.

There's no way I'd do this once summer gets here.  It's why I'm busting tail to see all of these harder to get to locations while it's still cold.  The regular ticks I can deal with, but I've had my fill of seed ticks.  

[weathermansam]

Oh, good gravy.  Once this migraine goes away, I can give you tips and tricks on how to attack this creek and a decent trip report.  I would not go in the way I went in again unless the water is warmer and you could use creek walking to navigate some things.  In short, the elevation really wasn't that bad except for one rock outcrop that was a complete and utter nightmare to get up and over.  Otherwise, there was always ground to walk on beside the creek.  It took 2hrs to hike about a mile and a half down to that side creek.  I have photos, and video, and gps waypoints for that side creek and various other waterfalls, including one that had a cave behind it.  I did not go in, but I could see a waterfall just inside the cave from where I was standing.

[weathermansam]

Trail Report!  

Last hike of the year, and what a way to end it:  3-4 miles of some of the toughest hiking I’ve ever done, bushwhacking one of the seemingly least explored creeks of Bankhead National Forest.  Gee, I wonder why?  It couldn’t be the terrain, which was pretty unforgiving at times, or the briars, or that my average speed ended up being less than one mile per hour.  In exchange for those challenges, though, was a slew of waterfalls I’ve never seen photos of before [13 excluding Kinlock falls and Kinlock Chute Falls], including the infamous unnamed side creek off of Hubbard that supposedly contained one of the most photogenic waterfalls in the area.  I also learned some lessons about using trash bags as a way of crossing the creek without getting wet.  Yes, you read that last part correctly.  

I was taking a risk.  The hour’s drive down could have been greeted by an incredibly swollen creek from all the recent rains, which would have meant going back home.  This section, however, dodged the inches and inches that prompted flood warnings in a lot of nearby counties, though.  The air temperature this morning was in the mid 30’s, and I had to make at least 2 creeks crossings:  one to the north side, and then back south again, to finish the loop.  In preparation for that, I brought along an old remedy I hadn’t used in several years:  trash bags.  Poor man’s waders, and they work great, most of the time.  Bagging each leg and sealing the tops with duct tape, this would allow walking through 2ft deep water without getting a drop of water on me!  Great idea, in theory!

After photographing Kinlock Falls, I decided to test my homegrown idea of trash bags, and picked a shallow, rocky crossing to begin with.  Halfway through the creek crossing, though, I slipped, and overcompensating, ended up grinding the trash bag on one foot a little too hard against rock, and it slowly began to fill.  This resulted in my leaping to a fallen tree in the creek, which then snagged the other leg’s trash bag, ripping it open.  Stuck then on a rock in the middle of the creek, I had two choices, roll up my pants and wade the rest of the way, or use the last pair of bags and hope they didn’t tear.  I chose the latter option, except this time I tossed my shoes and socks to the other shore, and bagged my legs up barefoot for the crossing.  This section of the crossing proved as difficult, as the water was a little swifter, and ended up detaching the duct tape that was holding the bags to my pants.  A quick bound, though, and I was at the other side.  I would have to find an easier route back across at the end, I knew, and set out down the creek.  

The first waterfall I came across was Kinlock Chute Falls, which is easily accessed once you find your way through the mass of Mountain Laurel bushes that adorn the creek side here.  The lighting today for waterfall photography was better than usual, a lot of clouds, though the veil wore thin at times.  I tried hiking along the creek edge here for a bit, mainly because the view of the opposing rock face was beautiful, and the creek has slowly been eroding the bottom part of it which gave it an unusual appearance.  Growing tired of this, I walked along the base of the rock face of the south side of the creek, which opened into a brief rock shelter with fire ring, water dripping here, there and everywhere along the edge.  The creek then doubled in width, and I suddenly had to follow a narrow game trail along the rocky edge for a ways.  Further down the creek at the bend I could see the cliff on this side of the creek rose steeply, possibly to 100-150ft.     Passing a seasonal waterfall, I eventually made my way through a rocky area and then to the mess of logs and trees wedged against the narrow sandy bank by the huge bluff.  A large sandbar was on the opposite side, where, for a change actually had some land to it instead of a sheer bluff line.  Navigating through a mess of blow downs shortly after this area, I followed the base of the bluff for a little ways before taking a nasty fall on the slippery, sandy slope and deciding to walk along the creek for a while.  At this point the creek was much shallower, rocky in spots and it being the only sound around, was wonderful.  The scenery on the opposite side of the creek had changed to the sheer rock being undercut again, and a quiet, whisper-like waterfall fell directly into Hubbard Creek.  

Then here, two-thirds of a mile into the hike, the fun times end on the southern side of the creek.  A large rock face juts out into the water, and there are two choices:  wade the creek, of unknown depth here, or find a way up and over this thing.  Choosing the first option, I hiked up, slipping, sliding, grasping for something to hold onto, but there wasn’t much.  I followed one game trail into a face full of briars.  Eyeing what appeared to be another, I slid down a bit and found myself teetering on the edge of a 40ft drop to the water below.  I carefully followed the ledge around until it disappeared, with a waterfall beside it.  Backtracking, I somehow made it back up that slope, and fought my way up to the top, where I wedged myself between a fallen tree and a groove cut into the rock so it formed a sort of circle, and hoisted myself up between the two and onto the top of the ridgeline.  Here, I faced a wild mix of briar and Mountain Laurel before stumbling upon another game trail that led across the top of that waterfall, and a more gentle sloping down.  Hearing a roar across the creek, I saw a 50-60ft two tiered waterfall on the opposite side of the creek, and using that, checked my current position on the map.  This is the first worth-mentioning intermittent drainage on the south side of Hubbard Creek.  I was still a ways away from that side creek, and gave up any hope of making it to the intersection of Quillan and Hubbard, let alone Parker and Hubbard.  I sat here and downed a quick sandwich and half a bottle of Gatorade before starting east down the trail again.  

Hubbard Creek was very pretty here, with large boulders in the creek itself and cascades scattered about.  One interesting feature was an island sort of in the middle of it all with a single tall tree and a few rocks anchored around it.  The terrain undulated here, from walks along the creek edge to hugging the sheer bluffs as needed to bypass fallen trees.  Not far along is where the waterfalls became plenty.  The second possibly seasonal waterfall I passed in this stretch appeared to have a cave behind it, and standing outside, I could see water falling inside the cave a little ways back.  I did not venture in, of course, these caves are closed for now, and I was short on time as it was.  Another interesting feature of this waterfall is that it goes underground a piece down the streambed and emerging just before entering Hubbard Creek.  The blow downs begin again here soon, and the sandy edges of the banks here have given way to quite a bit of landslide activity.  This came in handy, though, as a massive logjam against a 2.5ft wide tree solved my dilemma of getting across the creek.  

Determined to make it to that infamous side creek, I kept on bumbling through the fallen trees and alternating groves of young trees that have sprung up in the absence of canopy coverage.  These areas would make a trip here during the summer almost unbearable.  Another two tenths of a mile or so, and suddenly the land changes.  The bluff on the northern side of the creek pulls left, and a significant outlet of water joins Hubbard.  I could already hear the rush of water from the waterfall upstream, and that put a smile on my face.  Those who have found this creek before and those who will discover it in the future are in for more than one treat, though.  There are three waterfalls here!  An obvious box canyon, the waterfalls form a triangle.  It is possible to see all three waterfalls at the same time.  A smaller, narrow stream of water flows off the high rock face on your left, and the accompanied channel meanders to mean the main waterway.  On your right, another heavier, wider band slip off, hits a rock ledge, and splashes its way down to the valley floor below.  Moss and ferns are abundant here, and there’s a definite chill to the air, undoubtedly from all the extra moisture.  

At the head of the canyon, though, is the real treat.  From a distance you can see above the main chute of falls the two streams cascading down and becoming one before tumbling down a short distance onto a mass of boulders and shimmering it’s way down, undercutting the bluff and forming another smaller cascades.  While not as tall as many of the other waterfalls I have seen in Bankhead, this one has grandiosity all it’s own.  There are no obvious spots to camp here, and there was no garbage to be seen either.  A small group of birds nearby happily chirped along and didn’t seem to mind my being here.  I wish I could have stayed the night here, somewhere.  After finishing off one bottle of drink and enjoying the scenery, I turned toward home.  

Crossing Hubbard on the fallen tree mentioned earlier, I arrived into such a thicket of blow downs and briars it was impossible to discern a path.  Your choices here were to cross the creek and go back the way I came in, or close my eyes and plow through it all.  The latter option would prove the better one, as once I got through this mess, the forest opened up, I passed one waterfall after another on this route.  There is a fire ring so long abandoned one half it was missing now, along with a strange stash of dry wood under one of the rock shelters here.  I made incredible time back to the area of the roaring two tiered waterfall that sat opposite the bluff I had so much trouble with early on, and sat for a while here and enjoyed the beauty of it all.  

I decided, though, that my journey of Hubbard would end here.  I slowly hiked the sloped bank just past the waterfall, took a few photographs of the top tier of it, and followed a game trail, passing another long abandoned fire ring.  I could hear cars moving along the road above, and I walked west in the general direction of Kinlock on the same game trail until I decided my knees had rested enough for me to make a go at getting to the road.  Here, the story comes to a close, finding the road about a tenth of a mile from where my car sat parked at Kinlock Falls, the beginning and end to another great, albeit sore, stiff kneed hike in a spectacular forest.  

[DavidR]

Awesome report! Thanks for sharing your trip. Hubbard is on my list of things to do. My list keeps growing, but I'll be sure to get this in during this winter. Did you take any pictures?

[weathermansam]

Photo Gallery!  http://www.weathermansam..../121909hubbard/index.html

A few waypoints:

Junction of side creek & Hubbard:  34  19.003,  -87  29.558
Large waterfall that I exited from:  34  18.475, -87  29.819

I have some waypoints for several of the other waterfalls I took as well, but I think these two points are most significant.  The "large waterfall I exited from" is directly across from "Nightmare Ridge" as I'm going to call it.  

Waterfall at the head of the infamous side creek:


Waterfall that I existed Hubbard from:


Will post video tonight if I get it uploaded!  

[weathermansam]

Awesome report! Thanks for sharing your trip. Hubbard is on my list of things to do. My list keeps growing, but I'll be sure to get this in during this winter. Did you take any pictures?

I took well over 200 photos!  But I'm picky, and stuck about 70 some odd up there.  Glad you like the report, I'm having too much fun writing these I think!  That one was almost 2,000 words long!  

I pray you find an easier route over "Nightmare Ridge" if you go the route I did.  I can tell you that the easiest hiking on Hubbard is on the north side from Kinlock until about two thirds of a mile in, and then the easiest hiking from here until almost that side creek is on the southern side of the creek.  I am glad I stayed down in the creek area though versus hiking the ridge.  The scenery was great for the most part.  

[DavidR]

 
The second possibly seasonal waterfall I passed in this stretch appeared to have a cave behind it, and standing outside, I could see water falling inside the cave a little ways back.  I did not venture in, of course, these caves are closed for now, and I was short on time as it was.  Another interesting feature of this waterfall is that it goes underground a piece down the streambed and emerging just before entering Hubbard Creek.    

Is this a picture of that fall? http://www.weathermansam....fall3moreofthislater.html

If so that looks to be a huge cave. Could you tell if it was deep or not?

[JC785]

Awesome report, thourghly enjoyed it!

[montysano]

Excellent report!  Sounds like a tough trip.

My two previous attempts to reach that spot were unsuccessful.  Both times were from Kinlock Road, bushwhacking across country rather than following the creek.

The first was several years ago in April.  The blowdown and briars were terrible, and we'd seen two snakes in the first 1/4 mile.  My companion wasn't into it.

Last winter, a friend and I made another attempt.  Again, the blowdown was bad.  We ended up hiking down to (I think) what you call Kinlock Chute.

It makes me happy to think that, right here in our own backyard, there are places so wild and inaccessible.  But I'm not giving up!   

[weathermansam]

Is this a picture of that fall? http://www.weathermansam....fall3moreofthislater.html

If so that looks to be a huge cave. Could you tell if it was deep or not?

Nope, that is the waterfall I exited Hubbard creek from, just a view of it from across the creek though instead after I passed nightmare ridge.  There's a very shallow rock shelter behind this falls.  

Below is the falls with the cave.  I have no idea how far back it goes, though.  The waterfall inside it wasn't far inside the cave at all, and the stream seemed to go back further.  It was a rocky hop down to the opening itself, and with my knees hurting, I didn't bother.  If you download and brighten the image, you can see the top of the cave in the lower left just above that lowest branch sticking out.  

It's at roughly  34  18.670, -87  29.625  .......I somehow didn't save the data point in my GPS unit, but it was the last drainage that stood out before I hit the side creek, and back up a piece from the tree a I crossed, so this should be fairly accurate.  [I got this value by tinkering with the lat/long against the terrain data on google maps].  

 


Also, this is the location of the tree I crossed:   34  18.800, -87  29.534  [actual value, no artificial flavors added ]

[weathermansam]

Excellent report!  Sounds like a tough trip.

My two previous attempts to reach that spot were unsuccessful.  Both times were from Kinlock Road, bushwhacking across country rather than following the creek.

The first was several years ago in April.  The blowdown and briars were terrible, and we'd seen two snakes in the first 1/4 mile.  My companion wasn't into it.

Last winter, a friend and I made another attempt.  Again, the blowdown was bad.  We ended up hiking down to (I think) what you call Kinlock Chute.

It makes me happy to think that, right here in our own backyard, there are places so wild and inaccessible.  But I'm not giving up!   

From what I saw of the ridge I agree with you, and I'm glad I chose the creek!  Also, there weren't many areas to get from creek to ridge or vice versa.  There was one spot between kinlock falls and Nightmare ridge, then that place, and maybe one other spot I recall. 

The quicker route would be to take the drainage you see on the right as you're beginning to round the last curve to Kinlock falls and follow it to the bottom, easy way down, hike that all the way down to the fallen tree, and cross over there.  Had my knees not been so tired, my walk out of there would have been closer to 1hr versus the 2hr hike in, but I had to stop a lot to rest. 

Also, with respect to hiking cross country on the north side of Hubbard to get at that side creek, there's no obvious way down, the bluffs are all too high unless you had a lot of rope.  The right side was just as steep, but I can't speak for the terrain west of the creek, though, I didn't set foot in it at all.  It's possible it sloped down enough that you could make the drop down into it.  Tough trip indeed, but I rather enjoyed it!  After a trip like this a warm shower and a good meal is all the much more refreshing. 

I'd be interested in seeing Hubbard from there south to Quillan sometime.  It might be faster to attack it from the Randolph trailhead, maybe cut across parker creek somehow? 

Awesome report, thourghly enjoyed it!

Thanks JC!

[weathermansam]

Three worthy videos:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/l9qiEB6VCZA&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/l9qiEB6VCZA&rel=0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/dFNyp71IwSo&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/dFNyp71IwSo&rel=0</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/J0hAaHngRSs&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/J0hAaHngRSs&rel=0</a>

 and maybe now I can find some way to go to sleep tonight, I shouldn't be awake

[Uncle Wayne]

I don't know how I missed this thread.  weathermansam, you gave an excellent trip report.  My wife and I done this hike but it's been 12 years ago, before all the ice and hurricane damage and it was tough then. I can't be for sure exactly where by your notes but we found a way down into the canyon.

We parked at the small parking area that many use to go to Parker Falls.  Just before the pavement ends maybe a 1/4 mile or so on the Kinlock road.  We dropped into the drainage immediately at the parking area and worked our way down to the creek although it wasn't easy, it wasn't a dangerous route either.  As I remember, there was a waterfall there also.  We stayed on the south side of the creek from there all the way to where Parker runs into Hubbard  and hiked up Parker and back to our car on that shortcut to Parker falls from the Kinlock road.

Between the creek and the bluff line on the south side there are several ancient arborgylphs and an old still or two.  I'm sorry I can't be more specific due to poor memory but the south side abounds with interesting things to see and photgraph.

I have several photos on my webshots site in the Hubbard Creek folder of that hike.

I have never seen the falls in the boxed canyon you mentioned.  Now I've got to go back!

[DavidR]

It is threads like this that make AlaTrails a unique and very useful tool for those who love the outdoors. This research and information is beyond helpful when planning a trip. I'll be sure to reference this thread when I get around to Hubbard. Great contribution!

[montysano]

The quicker route would be to take the drainage you see on the right as you're beginning to round the last curve to Kinlock falls and follow it to the bottom, easy way down, hike that all the way down to the fallen tree, and cross over there.  Had my knees not been so tired, my walk out of there would have been closer to 1hr versus the 2hr hike in, but I had to stop a lot to rest.

Or..... down the Arnold Motorway, downstream to the Quillan Cascades (approx), then over the ridge to the side creek.  Looks like you could get down into the box canyon from the north.

The USGS topo maps that I have show the Arnold continuing across Quillan Creek, up the ridge, and then T-ing into a road that goes from Kinlock Rd. to approx. the junction of Quillan and Hubbard.  This was the route on my first attempt (carefully skirting a piece of private property).

Edit @ 10:00 AM: In reviewing my map, it appears that you could get down to Hubbard about 1/4 mile downstream from the side creek.  But yeah..... climbing directly down into that box canyon may be a no-go.

Also: I remembered that I also tried to reach that side creek years ago by going up Hubbard from its confluence with Quillan, but was stopped by bluffs.

[dayhiker]

I don't know how I missed this thread.  weathermansam, you gave an excellent trip report.  My wife and I done this hike but it's been 12 years ago, before all the ice and hurricane damage and it was tough then. I can't be for sure exactly where by your notes but we found a way down into the canyon.

We parked at the small parking area that many use to go to Parker Falls.  Just before the pavement ends maybe a 1/4 mile or so on the Kinlock road.  We dropped into the drainage immediately at the parking area and worked our way down to the creek although it wasn't easy, it wasn't a dangerous route either.  As I remember, there was a waterfall there also.  We stayed on the south side of the creek from there all the way to where Parker runs into Hubbard  and hiked up Parker and back to our car on that shortcut to Parker falls from the Kinlock road.

Between the creek and the bluff line on the south side there are several ancient arborgylphs and an old still or two.  I'm sorry I can't be more specific due to poor memory but the south side abounds with interesting things to see and photgraph.

I have several photos on my webshots site in the Hubbard Creek folder of that hike.

I have never seen the falls in the boxed canyon you mentioned.  Now I've got to go back!

I've talked with Jeff about this area a time or two and it's been on my list for a while.

On the Parker end, I took a group from my SS class in the fall.  I totally lost the trail to Parker.  I bushwacked ahead of the group and finally gave up and came back.  We had 4 small kids with us and it just wasn't going to be worth it.  Turkey Foot was plan B and worked just fine for the kiddos.

This TR has me wanting another trip.

[weathermansam]

I don't know how I missed this thread.  weathermansam, you gave an excellent trip report.  My wife and I done this hike but it's been 12 years ago, before all the ice and hurricane damage and it was tough then. I can't be for sure exactly where by your notes but we found a way down into the canyon.

We parked at the small parking area that many use to go to Parker Falls.  Just before the pavement ends maybe a 1/4 mile or so on the Kinlock road.  We dropped into the drainage immediately at the parking area and worked our way down to the creek although it wasn't easy, it wasn't a dangerous route either.  As I remember, there was a waterfall there also.  We stayed on the south side of the creek from there all the way to where Parker runs into Hubbard  and hiked up Parker and back to our car on that shortcut to Parker falls from the Kinlock road.

Between the creek and the bluff line on the south side there are several ancient arborgylphs and an old still or two.  I'm sorry I can't be more specific due to poor memory but the south side abounds with interesting things to see and photgraph.

I have several photos on my webshots site in the Hubbard Creek folder of that hike.

I have never seen the falls in the boxed canyon you mentioned.  Now I've got to go back!

I skimped on info on the latter part of the hike, but the terrain remained pretty much the same through that section so I'm not sure what good it would do.  I do think I know generally where you came in, though.  There were three waterfalls, I think I labeled them 11, 12 and 13 where the grade was easy enough to come down them.  

I searched like a madman for that one still you made mention of and every beech tree I could fine.  It's likely I stayed too close to the creek and missed the still you have photos of;  that rock face/area didn't ring a bell with at all when I looked at the photos.   There were quite a few large fallen beech trees on this hike, including one I crossed the creek on.  The soil there was really soft and there was a lot of evidence of recent slides.  What beech trees remained were either covered in moss, had hunks of bark missing from rot or were too young.  I'd like to make a second trip out to Hubbard just for those arborglyphs, they fascinate me.  Your route sounds good, I've no idea where that pull off for Parker is, but if Jay still wants to hike in January maybe we should utilize it.  

Or..... down the Arnold Motorway, downstream to the Quillan Cascades (approx), then over the ridge to the side creek.  Looks like you could get down into the box canyon from the north.

Edit @ 10:00 AM: In reviewing my map, it appears that you could get down to Hubbard about 1/4 mile downstream from the side creek.  But yeah..... climbing directly down into that box canyon may be a no-go.

Also: I remembered that I also tried to reach that side creek years ago by going up Hubbard from its confluence with Quillan, but was stopped by bluffs.

On the Quillan Creek hike, Jay discussed possibly shortcutting over ridge to reach Hubbard....I'm glad we didn't try to finish out at Hubbard that day.  It really would have been good and dark by the time we finished.

It is threads like this that make AlaTrails a unique and very useful tool for those who love the outdoors. This research and information is beyond helpful when planning a trip. I'll be sure to reference this thread when I get around to Hubbard. Great contribution!

This website is a BIG source of info when I've done some of the bushwhacks solo this year.  I'm happy to shed some more light on the Hubbard area!

This TR has me wanting another trip.

I know Jay was itching to see this area and it seems like Josh was interested as well.  I'm ready for round 2!

[JC785]

Depending on the date I might tag along if y'all don't mind.

[Pully]

Awesome report, Sam. You definitely increased my interest of this area even more.

[Pathfinder]

Fantastic report!  I wish I was on this hike myself.

[Joshua Szulecki]

AWESOME! Thanks for sharing, I'm really excited about the prospects of waterfalls in that area.

I'll be itching to hit this area in a month or two. Unfortunately, I'll probably be out of the hiking business for a few weeks, maybe a month. I was in a relatively low-speed accident on I-80 on Saturday, but I'll be in a rental for a little while, as my car did not fare particularly well. We're fine, but it was an experience... Just glad I didn't take I-81.

 

[dayhiker]

Is the spooky little hut still there just upstream from the intersection with Quillen?  This was spring 07

[weathermansam]

Didn't make it that far, I still had a long way to go before the parker creek intersection, even.  I'm thinking next month I'll venture back and see if I can't find the stills and arborglyphs I missed.  I'll probably attack it from the south this time, too. 

[Uncle Wayne]

Is the spooky little hut still there just upstream from the intersection with Quillen?  This was spring 07

It's gone now or was last March.

[Pathfinder]

My Carto-Craft map shows a drainage with headwaters just east of Kinlock Rd which flows towards the southeast eventually emptying into Hubbard.  I assume this is the drainage where Weathermansam saw the triple waterfalls. I'm not talking about the little creek that Flows southward running parallel to Kinlock Rd and empties into Hubbard right near Kinlock Falls.  So far I haven't found any map with the name of this drainage.  Does anyone know its name?  Just curious... Besides, it is much easier to refer to something simply by its name than to try to describe what you are talking about.  

I assume the Forest Service has maps with much more detail listing names of just about everything.  Do you think my assumption is correct?  Inquiring minds want to know.

[Joshua Szulecki]

My Carto-Craft map shows a drainage with headwaters just east of Kinlock Rd which flows towards the southeast eventually emptying into Hubbard.  I assume this is the drainage where Weathermansam saw the triple waterfalls. I'm not talking about the little creek that Flows southward running parallel to Kinlock Rd and empties into Hubbard right near Kinlock Falls.  So far I haven't found any map with the name of this drainage.  Does anyone know its name?  Just curious... Besides, it is much easier to refer to something simply by its name than to try to describe what you are talking about.  

I assume the Forest Service has maps with much more detail listing names of just about everything.  Do you think my assumption is correct?  Inquiring minds want to know.

Names? Probably not. I think they follow USGS fairly closely, and USGS names only a small portion of the features in most locations. More detailed maps? Probably. They should have all sorts of surveys for logging and things.

[montysano]

My Carto-Craft map shows a drainage with headwaters just east of Kinlock Rd which flows towards the southeast eventually emptying into Hubbard.  I assume this is the drainage where Weathermansam saw the triple waterfalls. I'm not talking about the little creek that Flows southward running parallel to Kinlock Rd and empties into Hubbard right near Kinlock Falls.  So far I haven't found any map with the name of this drainage.  Does anyone know its name?  Just curious... Besides, it is much easier to refer to something simply by its name than to try to describe what you are talking about.  

I assume the Forest Service has maps with much more detail listing names of just about everything.  Do you think my assumption is correct?  Inquiring minds want to know.

I could be wrong, but I think that's the one he refers to as Kinlock Chute Falls.  I walked that creek last winter.  From above, there's a real pretty chute where it empties into Hubbard.  And no easy way down past the chute.

The triple waterfall canyon, I think, is further downstream and around the bend, coming in from the west-ish.

[dayhiker]

There is another triple on West Bee.  It's the first creek upstream from the intersection with East Bee.  The first creek is the triple, the second is the route to WOH.

[Joshua Szulecki]

I could be wrong, but I think that's the one he refers to as Kinlock Chute Falls.  I walked that creek last winter.  From above, there's a real pretty chute where it empties into Hubbard.  And no easy way down past the chute.

The triple waterfall canyon, I think, is further downstream and around the bend, coming in from the west-ish.

The Kinlock Chute is within sight of Kinlock Falls at the first bend in Hubbard. It empties almost directly into Hubbard, and there really isn't a canyon there. The side-canyon everybody has been itching to get at is further downstream. Both are on the left side of the creek heading downstream.

[Pathfinder]

The Kinlock Chute is within sight of Kinlock Falls at the first bend in Hubbard. It empties almost directly into Hubbard, and there really isn't a canyon there. The side-canyon everybody has been itching to get at is further downstream. Both are on the left side of the creek heading downstream.

You are correct, Josh.  By the way, have a very merry Christmas!!!!

[Jdevil]

This entire thread was an excellent and helpful read, really appreciate all the info I found here! Thanks for turning me on to it weathermansam, I am definitely going to give this several days next fall or winter and I'm sure this info will be priceless! Exactly what I was looking for, very much appreciated and nice to "meet" you!

[Pathfinder]

This entire thread was an excellent and helpful read, really appreciate all the info I found here! Thanks for turning me on to it weathermansam, I am definitely going to give this several days next fall or winter and I'm sure this info will be priceless! Exactly what I was looking for, very much appreciated and nice to "meet" you!

Welcome to the forum.  I'm glad you jumped right in and are getting your feet wet.  I suspect there are plenty of neat places close to Oden Ridge for hiking and exploring. 

[Jdevil]

Hello Pathfinder, thanks for the warm welcome and yes, there are indeed many great places to hike around here.  A lot of private property, but most people around here will let you go where you want if you just ask and respect their land!  I'll post some pictures from around here when I get the chance! Once again, nice to "meet" the lot of ya and maybe I'll see you all on the trail!   

[weathermansam]

This entire thread was an excellent and helpful read, really appreciate all the info I found here! Thanks for turning me on to it weathermansam, I am definitely going to give this several days next fall or winter and I'm sure this info will be priceless! Exactly what I was looking for, very much appreciated and nice to "meet" you!

You're welcome, and welcome to the boards!  We'll have to get together sometime for a hike. 

[Jdevil]

Thanks again and for sure!