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« on: January 01, 2010, 12:09:33 PM »

Looking back through trips I've taken to Monte Sano State Park/Land Trust Preserve, I decided there's enough stuff there to warrant a thread about the waterfalls that exist.  Dry Falls and Neverseen falls are the only falls I've ever seen reference to by a name.  The others I gave a name too just for reference purposes.  


Waterfalls inside Monte Sano State Park:

Between North Plateau Loop and Mckay Hollow Trail:
Small falls close to lodge..
terrible shot of second falls that joins in with the one above to form....
Upper Mckay Branch Falls ?
cascade/smaller falls south of Upper Mckay
If you follow that stream on down, or take the McKay Hollow Trail down instead, then there's...  
Lower McKay Branch Falls?

Cold Springs Natural Area:
Assuming the spring is flowing well, this hillside is so steep there are small cascades all along it.  Here are two....
cascade 1
cascade 2


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Waterfalls inside the Land Trust Preserve:

Alm's House Trail:
Where Alm's House Trail meets Railroad Bed Trail....
Alm's House Upper falls
Alm's House Middle Falls
Alm's House Lower Falls

Wildflower Trail:
cascade type area
....Keep going down the Wildflower Trail a bit, there's this seasonal (?) branch off to your left.  
Here's a cascades when there's water there.  
I've followed the creek up and I think there'd be some better up there if you could hit it after a lot of rain.  

Railroad Bed trail:
seasonal falls
another seasonal falls
cascades/falls at "mega trestle" crossing

Between RailRoad Bed Trail and Bluffline Trail...
the seasonal branch that leads on to Neverseen falls:
cascades....
....small falls

Between Bluffline Trail and High Trail:
....Neverseen Falls
...Upper Neverseen falls??
....and more cascades above

Waterline Trail:
...unnamed waterfall on other side of the Waterline Trail from Dry Falls...
...then there's Dry Falls

South of Railroad Bed Trail...one main seasonal creek/stream:
cascades
cascades II...heading upstream here
falls/cascades under power lines
cascades III before bridge on Railroad Bed Trail
cascades IV after bridge
you can see the bluff face with multiple springs meandering and merging here
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2010, 01:28:35 PM »

I guess it depends on your definition of a waterfall. Wink Since that is a huge debate even in the geological/geographical/cartographical community, I'm not going to touch it with a ten foot pole. Wink

Quite a few of those are very interesting. I've really only seen Dry Falls, Neverseen Falls, and maybe McKay Branch Falls referred to by name, and I have seen some very good photographs of a few of them. Huntsville seems to be the big photography city in Alabama, and the proximity certainly has not hurt.

The Alm's House Falls complex looks very interesting, although it looks like another difficult non-Bankhead waterfall when it comes to photography. I've always considered Alabama's waterfalls (outside Bankhead) to be somewhat difficult to photograph, because so many have so much limestone around them. Unless the lighting conditions are perfect, the color of limestone comes out really nasty, especially on film.

I'm glad you did this. I encourage others to do the same for their favorite areas.

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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2010, 01:58:26 PM »

I think the line gets really blurry between what's a cascade and what's a waterfall, and there's the "cascading waterfall" bit as well. 

I realize almost all, if not all of these are seasonal, and most don't do well in terms of photography.  I have a few photos I like, but the weird mustard brown soil and/or limestone stuff just doesn't look pretty in photos.  Bamawester on Flickr has a lot better set of photos for some of these, but he managed to get out on a day with a lot of fog. 

Alm's house is probably my favorite trail around here, and having the waterfalls there helps for sure.  I think the alm's house/fagan springs/ wildflower trail section of the preserve is a very pretty area.   

There are other seasonal waterfalls I could mention, at Rainbow Mtn preserve (2), Keel Mtn Preserve (1), and at Blevin's Gap Preserve (1, maybe more), but not quite enough to expand the title of the thread.  These are places that I like to go to when I don't feel like driving an hour or longer, or want a quick outing and/or a waterfall fix.  I wouldn't call Monte Sano a favorite area of mine, but it's close to home, and I don't think enough people know about these places around here, really.  There are also quite a few caves in the area, 3 on Rainbow mtn, not a 10 minute drive from my house.  I've run across several on Monte Sano, and then there's the natural well up there that's infamous [haven't seen it yet].  There's video on youtube of people descending down into it. 
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2010, 02:05:34 PM »

Had to dig some, but here's a whole slew of photos that turned out well.  Just keep scrolling down the page 

http://www.flickr.com/gro...iscuss/72157603857272965/
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2010, 02:58:35 PM »

I think the line gets really blurry between what's a cascade and what's a waterfall, and there's the "cascading waterfall" bit as well.  

I realize almost all, if not all of these are seasonal, and most don't do well in terms of photography.  I have a few photos I like, but the weird mustard brown soil and/or limestone stuff just doesn't look pretty in photos.  Bamawester on Flickr has a lot better set of photos for some of these, but he managed to get out on a day with a lot of fog.  

Alm's house is probably my favorite trail around here, and having the waterfalls there helps for sure.  I think the alm's house/fagan springs/ wildflower trail section of the preserve is a very pretty area.    

There are other seasonal waterfalls I could mention, at Rainbow Mtn preserve (2), Keel Mtn Preserve (1), and at Blevin's Gap Preserve (1, maybe more), but not quite enough to expand the title of the thread.  These are places that I like to go to when I don't feel like driving an hour or longer, or want a quick outing and/or a waterfall fix.  I wouldn't call Monte Sano a favorite area of mine, but it's close to home, and I don't think enough people know about these places around here, really.  There are also quite a few caves in the area, 3 on Rainbow mtn, not a 10 minute drive from my house.  I've run across several on Monte Sano, and then there's the natural well up there that's infamous [haven't seen it yet].  There's video on youtube of people descending down into it.  

I'm totally comfortable with calling seasonal waterfalls as waterfalls, so long as they occur every year for more than just a day or two after heavy rain. Generally speaking, most things I'd call a cascade are waterfalls, but I consider a cascade to be a waterfall which lacks a sudden drop, pretty much anything over a 30 degree angle. If it drops at least a few feet in a few feet, I'll probably call it a waterfall. Sudden drops less than 2-3ft, cascades much longer than their drop, and man-made structures are generally not waterfalls in my mind. I call most non-waterfalls rapids, not cascades, but the terms are often interchangable, creating greater confusion.

Bamawester has some great waterfall photos from that area (and everywhere else he goes). He does tend to get up early, as a hunch for foggy conditions, and *wink* uses HDR at least some of the time.

One area I'd really love to hear more about is the outskirts of the Tennessee River Valley, like Pisgah Gorge, as well as the areas in the green triangle of Walls of Jericho and the surrounding WMA. I know people go there, but we hear very little with regard to waterfalls, even though I know of several in the area. But seriously... I like that you did this, and I hope others do the same, even if they don't particularly like the area they are describing. The only way information gets out is if we put it out, since trail guides are almost always under-inclusive. Alabama used to be pretty bad in this respect, but the situation has improved dramatically since I first moved their in 2005, in large measure due to this site. Now I look at other states (Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Kentucky, I'm talking to you) and am shocked again at how little information is out there. Tennessee isn't that bad, but even here I have trouble finding information about some places. For example, several STATE parks have no page on the DNR site. The same is true in New York, btw. END  OF RANT.
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2010, 12:02:54 AM »

I will usually call a waterfall a waterfall and not runoff if I see a stream bed at the base.
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