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« on: July 01, 2008, 02:15:22 PM »

I'm just curious to see what good options there are out there that you folks know of, ranging from traditional organizations like TNC/Audubon/Sierra Club to plant a tree type orgs.
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2008, 04:43:59 PM »

WildSouth
Land Trust
Nature Conservancy
Ducks Unlimited (Stepdad was county pres while I was growing up)

I thought about joining the Sierra Club, but was absolutely turned off after reading their Chairman's blog.
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2008, 05:03:22 PM »

Just his whole demeanor toward Republicans and conservatives in general. His attacks were very personal in nature. I'm a conservative, but if shown the FACTS, I can be persuaded (ie. I'm much less skeptical of global warming thanks to the article you posted a couple of weeks back).  Educate me, don't attack me.
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2008, 05:35:44 PM »

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Even on the internet I can tell the difference between "playing hard" and outright attacks, and I don't think anybody around here is that type. But for some reason, people on the fringes all seem to think that the only way to make their point is via insults and false analogies. Typically, the people who get higher up in most organizations are the true-believers, so you sometimes see crap that offends others intentionally. On the whole, I think Sierra Club isn't about that, but it wouldn't shock me if their chair put something offense out there, because when you eat, sleep, and breathe with people who think like you, everyone who doesn't is automatically beneath you.

While many movements and groups are guilty of this behavior (including many on the right), the environmental movement is a movement that I see as marred by a fundamental disconnect with the general populace. It isn't that being an environmentalist makes you a jerk (it doesn't), it is just that group-think eventually kicks in with most movements, and true-believers stop trying to convince people who don't believe what they believe. In my opinion, the environmental movement has forgotten how to be diplomatic and persuasive, much like many radical religious groups, and it has hurt the cause in the long run. Just like I think we need a new moderate political party (shock from a Republican, huh) or a shift in one party totally to the center, I think we need a new set of flagship organizations for the environmental movement, or a move to moderation from the one's we already have. Or at least some diplomacy.

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I'm a big fan of the Nature Conservancy. So many of their properties are just amazing, and when I have some spare cash they'll be getting some. My only complaint with them is that some of their properties are closed to the public, and even those that are open to the public are often poorly signed and difficult to find. I understand and support their decision to keep some properties closed to the public, but I have to complain about their lack of signage at many properties. The trailheads are always marked, but they never have much assistance in finding the properties. Their out of office e-mail notifications are annoying, too. Wink

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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2008, 05:54:44 PM »

Not chairman, Executive Director Carl Pope.
http://sierraclub.typepad.com/carlpope/
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2008, 06:39:58 PM »

Well, it isn't as bad as I was expecting, but it certainly is pretty political.

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I find it "cute" to hear ultra-liberals using terms like "Potemkin Village" these days, because 20-30 years ago, those folks would have still been fawning over countries with "socialist" systems. Today only a handful of people still fawn over Cuba and other communist countries, and mostly just on a handful of issues. Heck, I've heard of self-declared socialists who have snuck books into Cuba during visits.
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